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« on: January 15, 2012, 01:26:39 am »

seeing I don't know much about non-passenger loads (baggage, mail, etc) on daily trains in a technical sense I had to ask why a few particular trains ran with these cars that had one or two large loading doors on each side while others apparently didn't

in one photo I saved a C55 is hauling two coaches followed by two of these cars on tail then another one shows a single-door car followed by four coaches
(and then theres a D51 with only five coaches and no side doors to be seen)

thanks?
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2012, 01:44:07 pm »

Whether there are express package cars (typically the mani type) on a loco-hauled train, are a function of demand and I surmise the population density and extent of the road network in the areas in question.  On long and thin routes, such as the Soya Main Line in northern Hokkaido, there is low population density, so the trains saw both express and passenger cars in their consists (low passenger demand so few trains, but enough package business as it's a relatively remote area with few roads).  On the Hakodate main line mountain route, there were stopping trains of four of five passenger car consists without express hauled by D51 mikes, apparently express traffic was handled by dedicated trains (these likely with through cars bound for Honshu) or the C62 steam hauled express Niseko or its predecessor Teine.
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2012, 02:36:17 pm »

thanks bikkuri I should had thought of it that way

had a look for mani's from greemax+tomix and hmm that brings up a second question for here, would there be any technical differences between the numberings or its just more to do with generations instead?
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2012, 06:00:26 pm »

JNR dealt with large volumes of parcel and small package traffic before 1987. In the steam era there were regular parcels trains on main lines. You can find photos of these by trawling through the photo web sites.
It was more common to have a number of baggage cars attached to regular passenger trains on both main and secondary routes.
So the Kato Mani 60 would be quite common as well as the other Mani types.f
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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2012, 07:19:07 am »

Hi all,
check this movie discribing inside of percels car in Taiwan, very similar to Japan's.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/iQNPCSdmKjs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/iQNPCSdmKjs</a>

Kindry Regards,

ISO8

seeing I don't know much about non-passenger loads (baggage, mail, etc) on daily trains in a technical sense I had to ask why a few particular trains ran with these cars that had one or two large loading doors on each side while others apparently didn't

in one photo I saved a C55 is hauling two coaches followed by two of these cars on tail then another one shows a single-door car followed by four coaches
(and then theres a D51 with only five coaches and no side doors to be seen)

thanks?
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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2012, 03:28:34 pm »

Thank you ISO8, for that video.  It seems there are at least two of these types of trains in operation, that circle the island, one clockwise and the other counterclockwise (4003 and 4004?).  Some more videos I found:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/MBFInRgAXrY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/MBFInRgAXrY</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/lOFDn_aLCEI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/lOFDn_aLCEI</a>
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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2012, 05:49:26 am »

I took these shots at Sandiaoling on 27/05/09.

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