DCC Decoder for Kato TGV K10918-25

[Webskipper]

Anyone convert their TGV to DCC?

Parts list shows K10918-25 M1 and K10918-26 M2 Circuit boards.

M1 is the powered car #1.

What are my choices for this conversion?

[inobu]

http://www.jnsforum.com/index.php/topic,949.0.html


Might be the same chassis

[nik_n_dad]

Unless I'm really tired, it looks like it takes a 6-pin NEM651 decoder such as

http://www.tcsdcc.com/public_html/Zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&products_id=283

or

http://www.digitrax.com/prd_mobdec_dz125IN.php

or similar things from ESU, Lenz, etc etc.  Just slide the little board out that's in the socket and drop one of these in.

The downside of the NEM651 is I don't think anyone makes a function-only version for the car without a motor.  But these are truly plug-and-play!

[Webskipper]

Plug what into what?

Here's the OEM board.

Apparently the same chassis used on the Thalys is used on the TGV AVE so nikndad who now sells the board that accepts the NEM51 decoders?

http://www.jnsforum.com/index.php/topic,4164.0.html

This thread can be merged.

[nik_n_dad]

Plug what into what?

Here's the OEM board.

Apparently the same chassis used on the Thalys is used on the TGV AVE so nikndad who now sells the board that accepts the NEM51 decoders?

The chassis looks the same as the older Thalys and AVE, but I'm pretty sure that the board has been updated.  I think if you gently wiggle the little "daughter board" that I've highlighted below, it should come out.  It looks like it's just the dummy plug and you'd plug in the NEM651 in its place.  (I may be wrong, but it looks like this is right)



The older Thalys and AVE required you to toss the OEM board and replace it with an ESU board, and then plug the decoder into it.  (BTW, I can't seem to find anyone that has the ESU board anymore; not sure if it was discontinued or not.  I'm in need of one (not a set, just one).

[Webskipper]

Oh that's so cool. Yes it'll be a true plug in dcc conversion.

Thanks!

[Martijn Meerts]

That's definitely a NEM651 socket, so any decoder with NEM651 plug should work just fine. It also looks like this is one of the more decent sockets, which means you won't have a lot of problems with bad connections and such :)
 

[Webskipper]

The only place I can find the replacement DCC board is Kato-Unitrack.co.uk

Or did I misunderstand and just plug in a 6-pin DCC decoder?

TCS EUN651

Digitrax DZ125IN

[nik_n_dad]

Just plug in one of those DCC decoders.  You don't need to buy the replacement lightboard- that's for us with the older versions of the train.

BTW- I couldn't find the board at Kato-Unitrack.co.uk.  Can you post a link to it?

[Webskipper]

16 pages to sort through when searching for TGV. Here's the Kato UK Link:

http://www.kato-unitrack.co.uk/esu-kato-lemke-k147456-replacement-dcc-circuit-board-for-thalys-tgv-pos-21101-0.html

[nik_n_dad]

thank you very much!

BTW, for folks that use this replacement board, many trains will not allow you to put the shell on with a standard NEM651 decoder in place.  What's worked very well for us is a NEM651 decoder from TCS that has a very short (18mm) harness.  (http://www.tcsdcc.com/public_html/Zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6_58&products_id=410)

[nik_n_dad]

16 pages to sort through when searching for TGV. Here's the Kato UK Link:

http://www.kato-unitrack.co.uk/esu-kato-lemke-k147456-replacement-dcc-circuit-board-for-thalys-tgv-pos-21101-0.html

Just got the email today (after being on order for some time).... "We don't have this item in stock, and I'm not sure when we'll get anymore".   

So I'm back to square one of looking for one board (or a set, of course).....

[Webskipper]

Here is a picture of my Kato TGV Thalys PBKA TGV with a TCS EUN651 decoder installed.

Any more complicated and a caveman could do it.

Does it work? Will find out over the weekend when my DCC controller shows up. Decoder showed up first.

Works great! Quiet. Still working on the trailing cab car directional lights.

[Webskipper]

Just a follow up.

I have successfully installed TCS EUN651 decoders in both the Kato TGV's 10918 and 10917.

For the Tail Car:
Adding Rule 17 (CV 49=40) causes a blend of headlamps and tail lamps to be on in reverse at all speeds.  Even with a factory reset (CV8=2) the CV 50=0 which is not the value in the manual. I changed it to 16.

Here's what I have recorded on my inventory spreadsheet.

CV49=8
CV61=16

Tail Car same plus:
29=51
50=16

This corrects the directional lighting and the headlamps will dim when stopped on both cars.

It looks strange to see the tail lamps dimmed and because....

At 1 ft/0.5 seconds for a scale speed of near 260 MPH, this little guy is still moving 1.36 MPH real time.

[The_Ghan]

Geez 'skip?

How does she take the bends at that speed?   

Cheers

The_Ghan

[Webskipper]

It sticks well to the track.

Speed chart
http://www.mcr5.org/NMRA/articals/speed.htm

[The_Ghan]

Nice link, skip!

I made myself a spreadsheet to do all that, including deceleration to calculate appropriate lengths for DCC blocks.

Cheers

The_Ghan

[Spaceman Spiff]

Anyone convert their TGV to DCC?

Parts list shows K10918-25 M1 and K10918-26 M2 Circuit boards.

M1 is the powered car #1.

What are my choices for this conversion?

With my earlier TGV's I used ESU boards. These ESU boards dont seem to be available any ome. Will these Kato boards replace the oem boards and convert to DCC?

My original thread about replacement boards


http://www.jnsforum.com/index.php/topic,4164.msg42382.html#msg42382




Spiff

[Rintintin]

Plug what into what?

Here's the OEM board.

Apparently the same chassis used on the Thalys is used on the TGV AVE so nikndad who now sells the board that accepts the NEM51 decoders?

http://www.jnsforum.com/index.php/topic,4164.0.html

This thread can be merged.

Hello,

I'm very interested in this circuit board to use in several of my AVE trains.

Please, do you know where can I buy this item?

Thank you very much in advance & Best Regards,

Rintintin.

[Webskipper]

Who bought the Kato Ave today from DmToys? I was waiting for an answer on their DCC install and somebody snagged it for 200 Euro. Bummer.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Rintintin, not sure if the boards are available anywhere.

I didn't buy it Webskipper lol.  I don't speak German but there is alot of nice kato stuff at Ebay.de.

Spiff

[nik_n_dad]

I've been looking for boards for about 9 months, and have been recently told they are no longer available from the manufacturer.   

[kmcsjr]

Opps wrong topic

[Rintintin]

Finally, I found these boards new in ebaY :-)

Cheers.

[Webskipper]

Is it ESU and which Kato TGV's will it fit? Is it using the 6 pin NEM 651 decoders?

[Spaceman Spiff]

Finally, I found these boards new in ebaY :-)

Cheers.

From who?

Spiff

[nik_n_dad]

Finally, I found these boards new in ebaY :-)

Please share- we need one!

[Rintintin]

Is it ESU and which Kato TGV's will it fit? Is it using the 6 pin NEM 651 decoders?

Hello all,

I found them in a ebaY-shop from Spain. These are the links for both (M1 & M2 boards):

http://www.ebay.es/itm/KATO-K10918-25-Platina-M1-leds-y-conector-NEM-TGV-y-AVE-escala-N-/390420848731?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_186&hash=item5ae6e5605b

http://www.ebay.es/itm/KATO-K10918-26-Platina-M2-leds-y-conector-NEM-TGV-y-AVE-escala-N-/390419284714?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_186&hash=item5ae6cd82ea

These boards are for TGV Thalys, but they can be used for spanish AVE (I have 3 AVE trains).

Hope it helps! 

Cheers.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Any idea what the difference is between M1 and M2 is?

Spiff

[Rintintin]

Any idea what the difference is between M1 and M2 is?

Spiff

M1 = Motor cab
M2 = No-Motor cab

Cheers 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Funny I just did a google search and your reply came up Rintintin 

Spiff

[Spaceman Spiff]

So does any standard nem plug decoder work for the non motorized end units for lighting only? Or do you need a specific light only decoder that doesnt require motor inputs?

Spiff

[Webskipper]

Yes.

I use the TCS EUN651in both the Thalys and Duplex.

CV List to correct directional lighting:

Lead Car:
49=8
61=16

Tail Car:
29=51
49=8
61=16

Tried Rule 17, the lights like to do a weird blend. I stick with what works. Das ist das.

Anyone get these Kato TGV's over 581.82 KPH? That's 0.9 seconds per 0.9144 Meters.

Speed Step 52 on a Digitrax handheld is 308KPH scale speed. More protoypical.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Thanks for the info Webskipper, I'll look for the TSC decoders.

I would like the front motorized decoder and the rear non motorized decoder to have the same id. Is there a cv to reverse the lighting sequence for the rear decoder so I can use the same id but with reversed lighting?

Thanks Rintintin,  I used the "compralo ya" and bought 3 of them.

Spiff

[Webskipper]

CV 29=51

You can download the PDF at the tcsdcc.com site.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Webskipper:  nice!  Thanks

Spiff

[Webskipper]

I just got word that the Kato PCB 10916-25 and K10916-35 do not fit the Kato-Lemke K10327 Eurostar.

When mine arrives I'll see if the new board can fit if the led legs are extended. Otherwise it really is a hard wire job only.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Webskipper: that's no good. I hope they fit the TGV'S and AVE's. I'll be abit annoyed if they don't
 :angryfire

In regards to the decoder do you mean EUN651? I dont see a EUR651. Is this good for non motorized end units or good for non and motorized units?

Thanks

Spiff

[Webskipper]

Yes any 6 pin decoder will work.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Thanks Webskipper

[Spaceman Spiff]

I have found another place that sells the board. I have dealt with them in past and they are a good retailer.

Different Part numbers:

http://www.en.dm-toys.de/produktdetails/items/K10916-35.html

http://www.en.dm-toys.de/produktdetails/items/K10916-25.html




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