Tomix - New Releases

[bill937ca]

HS in its weekly model train newsletter has a note on Tomix's new releases for 2010.

"TOMIX has announced plans for this year's products.
Here is a summary here.

* Sayonara JR Series 489 `Noto`
* Sayonara JR Series 14 `Hokuriku`
* Sayonara JR Shinkansen Series 500 `Nozomi`
(Sayonara = Good-Bye)

* JR Series E233 Keiyo Line
* JR Electric Locomotive Type EF510-500 Hokutosei
* JNR Passenger Car Series Oha35
* JNR Passenger Car Series 24 Type 25 (Silver Stripe)
* JR Container Wagon Type Koki105
* JR/JNR Diesel Locomotive Type DE10"

[CaptOblivious]

Now it's Tomix playing "me too"! I do hope this means a redesign for the DE10, and not just a repackaging of Ol' Growly.

[bill937ca]

A machine translated version of the HS Japanese language blog notes, "the DE10 was newly designed to a high grade concept like the C57 type".  This probably means a higher price too.

http://www.1999.co.jp/blog/100416

[jappomania]

Bah...
again this "xerox" policy and more "Sayonara" packages (I have a lot of those models and sincerly sometime only the package is different)
Maybe I reserve one Shinkansen 500 but only because I have the previous Sayonara release (0 and 100) otherwise my collection remains uncomplete (and that's the fifth 500 excluding kitbashed V set)
I'm not sure but the last run W set don't have particular decals or painting like 0 and 100 G set, like the last run 100V set Grand Hikari have the normal livery (maybe they put a little history book inside the package)
now I wait another one EF510 Hokutosei from Microace 

ciao
Massimo

[bill937ca]

A longer version of this list has been added to the HS blog.

[Extra] TOMIX Production News
We've just got news from Tomix of the items that are to be productized. So we will promptly inform you of the items!

But please note that we haven't started taking reservations yet, so please wait a while longer for the reservations to officially begin.

*The scale of those without note are of N-scale.
*The scheduled prices noted are GST inclusive, but may be changed by the manufacturer.
*A digested version of the list has been included in the mail mag sent on the 16th, for those that are subscribed to the railway model mail mag.

Decided for Production
*note: this section are items that has only been decided for production, and the price or specifications have not been determined yet.

- [Limited Edition] The Great trains that has been erased due to the revision of service plan diagram, the 'Noto' and 'Hokuriku', are to be resurrected in N-scale!
  (unspecified) Sayonara Type 489 'Noto'
  (unspecified) Sayonara Type 14 Sleeper Express 'Hokuriku'

- The new-comer to JR East, Series EF510 (Hokutosei) will be productized.
  (unspecified) JR Series EF510 500 Electric Locomotive 'Hokutosei'

- Disappearing from the rail for Tokaido, 'Nozomi' series 500 will be productized as limited edition item.
  (unspecified) Sayonara series 500 Nozomi

- The new variation of E233 series [Keiyo Line] decided for production.
  (unspecified) JR series E233 5000 (Keiyo Line)

Autumn Scheduled Release

- Popular car of Series EF65, Limited Express colored type 500 P-type has been decided for production.
  (9105) JNR EF65 500type Electric Locomotive (P-type late type)

- Wrapped with a silver strip, original series 24 type 25 limited express sleeper passenger car (set/single) has gone under renewal.
  (95818) JNR Series 24 type 25 Nos. 100 Limited Express 7-car set (Silver Strip
  (8519) JNR Passenger Car Series Kani24 type 0 (Late type silver strip) (T)
  (8534) JNR Passenger Car Series Ohanefu25 type 100 (silver strip)
  (8535) JNR Passenger Car Series Ohane25 type 100 (silver strip
  (8539) JNR Passenger Car Series Kani24 type 100 (silver strip)

- DE10type Diesel Locomotive will be reappearing, with a fully new production.
  (2222) JNR Series DE10 type 1000 Diesel Locomotive (Scheduled Price)
  (2223) JR Series DE10 type 1000 (JR Freight new car) (Scheduled Price)

- Old type Passenger Car standard, series Oha 35 will arrive with complete new production.
  (8543) JNR Passenger Car Series Oha 35 (Pre-war type, brown)
  (8544) JNR Passenger Car Series Ohafu 33 (Pre-war type, brown)
  (8545) JNR Passenger Car Series Suhani 32
  (8546) JNR Passenger Car Series Mani 60 (Reformed Ohani 61 car)

- Koki 105 type has been decided to join the Koki 100 type series!
  (2749) JR Freight Koki 105 type (w/o container, 2-car set)

- (HO) With retro coloring added to the oval window, the Kotoden type 3000 has been decided for production.
  (HO-607) Takamatsu-Kotohira Electric Railroad type 3000 (Retro Coloring)

Summer Scheduled Release
- The combination of rail and tramway merged together, the [Wide Tram Rail] will be released this summer as a set or singles!! The tramway [Wide Tram Rail] series will be newly added to the Fine Tracks.
  (1790) Wide Tram Rail S70-WT (F) (2-pieces set)
  (1791) Wide Tram Rail S140-WT (F) (2-pieces set)
  (1795) Wide Tram Super Mini Curve Rail C103-WT (F) (30deg, 60deg, 2-pieces set)
  (1796) Wide Tram Super Mini Curve Rail C140-WT (F) (30deg, 60deg, 2-pieces set)
  (1797) Wide Tram Super Mini Curve Rail C177-WT (F) (30deg, 60deg, 2-pieces set)
  (0113) Wide Tram Rail - Common Road Joint (32 pcs)
- Great Set for the [Wide Tram Rail] will be lined up too!!
  (91085) Wide Tram Super Mini Rail Endless Set (Rail Pattern SA-WT)
  (91086) Wide Tram Mini Rail Set Basic Set (Rail Pattern MA-WT)


(additional note 1) Apparently the series DE10 is to be produced at a hi-grade concept like that of series C57.
(additional note 2) Series 24 type 25 (Silver strip) will be produced as a general Blue Train without specifying the train name, it seems.
(additional note 3) Series Koki105 will be using the mold of series Koki 104, so the specification may partially change.
(additional note 4) Wide Tram Rail may have the road parts productized in the future, may be? (mystery)
(additional note 5) Each series Oha35 (except Mani) is apparently going to have optional parts sold separately for replacing the door.


By Kapinozuka

[to2leo]

Cannot wait to see the wide tram parts upclose.

[Shashinka]

I thought it was announced last year that the DE10 was going to be re-worked. It was already sold as TOMIX 2204, 2205 and 2208 painted the same as Growly. (I'm sure there were other p/n numbers for it with different paint liveries, but I'll be damned if I know them off the top of my head..) Maybe 2220 or 2221 is the JRF new colors for it.

[CaptOblivious]

Who says the Japanese don't embrace high-tech when it comes to their trains? Tomix has a new wireless throttle coming out soon:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/-QFDnR0J0Ng" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/-QFDnR0J0Ng</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/XoFeOPvhyH0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/XoFeOPvhyH0</a>

[to2leo]

What I will never get is why are we still waiting for wireless technology, (blue tooth for instance) to control the motor of the train? DCC still relies on the misgiving tracks to give command which IMHO deters person such as myself from adopting to it.  I hate wiring.

[bill937ca]

I just looked tonight.  The Tomytec 101 Series controller is still not available.  But Tomy has used wireless controllers with toys before so why not with trains?

[Martijn Meerts]

DCC (and other digital systems) requires very little wiring for basic functionality really. The problem starts when you want automated control, and thus need blocks and occupancy detection. The same goes for block systems for analogue though.

Of course, the occupancy detection could be wireless as well, but there's still a certain amount of wiring needed. Also, interference is a problem with wireless, and possibly latency issues if you have a large layout.

Not that I wouldn't mind a wireless system. Being in the middle of wiring up a computer controlled layout, I know exactly how much of a pain in the backside wiring can be =)

[quinntopia]

This brings up an interesting thing that I don't get.  Waaaaaaay back in 2000 I got started with model trains with Lionel/MTH 3-Rail AC O Gauge stuff.  I used their proprietary digital operating system (of both Lionel and MTH), but in each case, the only controllers ever available for their 'digital systems' were always wireless!  Fast forward a few years to my switch to N Scale, and the seemingly much more 'open' DCC protocol and much wider user base, and its really hard to find a wireless controller!  I don't get it.    Yes, there's the Bachmann Dynamis (I had a miserable experience with their infrared controller) and the higher end ESU radio control version, and the Roco/Fleischmann controller is wireless (it seems to get positive reviews), but where are the 'rest' of the wireless controllers?  Seems like a huge market.....

Heck, now Tomix has produced a wireless DC controller!

[stevenh]

...DCC (and other digital systems) requires very little wiring for basic functionality really...

It might only need very little... but it all still needs to be very clean and very connected. If you happen to have rampant data signals from dirty tracks/connections then your DCC trains might just choose not to listen to you.

On the other side, if the rails were finally _only_ for power and the data went through the air then you'd be set. An onboard rechargable cell (or even a hefty capacitor) could cover dirty tracks and you'd have a much easier life :)

[to2leo]

...DCC (and other digital systems) requires very little wiring for basic functionality really...

It might only need very little... but it all still needs to be very clean and very connected. If you happen to have rampant data signals from dirty tracks/connections then your DCC trains might just choose not to listen to you.

On the other side, if the rails were finally _only_ for power and the data went through the air then you'd be set. An onboard rechargable cell (or even a hefty capacitor) could cover dirty tracks and you'd have a much easier life :)

That is exactly what I want.  Until that day comes, I will not touch anything lesser.

[Toni Babelony]

The Tomytec 101 Series controller is still not available.

You'd have noticed by a huge thread with movies and pictures by me if it was released

[Martijn Meerts]

...DCC (and other digital systems) requires very little wiring for basic functionality really...

It might only need very little... but it all still needs to be very clean and very connected. If you happen to have rampant data signals from dirty tracks/connections then your DCC trains might just choose not to listen to you.

On the other side, if the rails were finally _only_ for power and the data went through the air then you'd be set. An onboard rechargable cell (or even a hefty capacitor) could cover dirty tracks and you'd have a much easier life :)

That's another problem though, how much more space would a wireless system require inside the trains. EMUs, DMUs, shinkansen etc. should be fine, you have plenty space in the motor car. A steam locomotive on the other hand might be very difficult to put in a decoder, a rechargeable cell and the wireless receiver/transmitter with a decent range that has no problems with outside interference and tunnels etc. Very much doable to miniaturize everything so that it fits, but it would add a lot to the cost. Remember that DCC companies only manufacture in relatively small quantities. Current DCC decoders could quite easily be much smaller than what they are now, but the price per decoder would get outrageous ;)

Turnouts could be problematic as well. The standard turnout motors used by pretty much all the brands require a hefty amount of power, so you'll either still need to provide a power supply (and thus wiring), but the DCC commands could of course be sent wirelessly.

It's probably very much possible to come up with a completely wireless digital system, but I don't think any company would risk the cost of developing and manufacturing it at the moment. Initially the production runs would be so small, they wouldn't break even on the cost.

Again, it's not that I'm against wireless, it's just that I don't believe a lot of people would use it if it was available. Or at least not for controlling (semi-)automated layouts.

[David]

Developing a wireless device requires that you use a specific frequency to communicate on, which means the product is subject to laws to ensure it doesn't interfere with other devices. Unless you communicate with a standard protocol (such as WiFi) you'll be reduced to using one of the "open" ranges, which pits your wireless controller against things like garage door openers and portable phones. Line of sight devices (infrared) is free to use, but it's also terrible.

Unfortunately the model train industry is not very good at making use of new technology - it's very much a craftsman affair where everything is built from the ground up - so it's unlikely we'll see something like an extension to the DCC standard that specifies a standard "command over IP" or Bluetooth based communication system.

[Fat Al]

From the videos, it looks like the base station still provides power to the turnouts and the trains directly, so probably not a full digital system. The controller sends signals to the base station, which in turn controls everything else.

Still, this would be perfect for my application, except there's no release date...

[clem24]

What I would like to know is, why is Tomix to slow to embrace DCC? It seems to me like they have this full stash of DC products and don't feel like abandoning it. My only issue with switching is that it would cost me a ton to convert all my trains, not to mention all the time it would take to install decoders. Maybe that's the reason?

[to2leo]

Me think Tomix has something in the pot that will revolutionize the way we control our trains and tracks.

[bill937ca]

What I would like to know is, why is Tomix to slow to embrace DCC?

From what I have heard, DCC is considered not relevant to the way Japanese run their trains.  I suspect Kato's DCC efforts are aimed at the export market primarily.  I'm not expecting DCC from Tomix any time soon.

[Martijn Meerts]

Remember that Kato's DCC efforts are very basic. Their decoders are actually Digitrax, and they have VERY limited features. Kato's DCC is more aimed towards ease of use rather than for "the serious modeler" (by lack of a better term...)

There's also no DCC turnout/accessory control available from Kato yet, and if there will be anytime soon remains to be seen.

Unless either Kato or Tomix come up with a very good, feature rich and mostly complete digital system, I doubt anyone will be adopting it. There are just too many manufacturers specializing in DCC which already have market penetration, and will be a more obvious choice than an entirely new and unproven system.

In the end, I think they should just skip DCC, apart from perhaps making it easier to install a decoder in a train (which in itself is a problem, because there's no real standard size).

[keitaro]

Hi guys march release

Delivery times will guide TOMYTEC March
Delivery will be March 17
New Products
The Case for 735 yen bounce bullets 13 13 Kore Kore Iron Iron 2,100 yen
TM-15 20m Power Class A3 2,980 yen iron Colle
TM-16 20.5m Power Class A 2,980 yen iron Colle

Reproduction
for traveling Parts Set TT-03 iron Colle
for traveling Parts Set TT-04 iron Colle

Delivery will be March 24
Products
Basic set of construction equipment collection travel system VOL.2 Basukore 735 A 8,190 yen yen

Delivery will be March 25
New Products
Mitsui OSK Lines, NYK Line 1,680 Torerakore two sets with two sets Torerakore yen 1,680 yen 1,680 yen Torerakore two sets Kawasaki Kisen

Delivery will be March 29
New Products
5 Both air-conditioned car prototype system midline in both A 4,725 101 5 iron Kokutetsu Colle air-conditioned car prototype system midline Kokutetsu 101 3 Car Set B 4,725 yen iron Colle system yen 2,835 yen Kokutetsu iron Colle

Reproduction
TM-08 20m Power Class A 2,980 yen iron Colle
840円 840 yen for traveling Parts Set TT-03 iron Colle
TOMIX <0230> PS16P pantograph type (2 pieces) 525

New Products
Car Set 2 1,890 7000 2-Car Set iron Hukuzima Colle Colle Hokuriku iron form 7200 yen 1,890 yen
Reproduction
TM-06 18m Power Class A 2,980 yen iron Colle
840 yen for traveling Parts Set TT-03 iron Colle
840 yen for traveling Parts Set TT-04 iron Colle
 TOMIX <0238> PG16 Pantagraph (2 pieces) 525

[keitaro]

 Delivery times TOMIX March
Will be delivered in mid-March
New Products
Basic Set Twilight 90155 SD 15,750 yen
92 981 <Limited> N700 Kyushu Shinkansen system Sanyou 8000 (R2 organization) set 23,100 yen

Scheduled delivery in late March
New Products
2004 C57 Steam Locomotive (No. 1) 18,690 yen
12 92391 car series (No. Yamaguchi) 5 Car Set 14,490 yen
10,290円 92411 JR N700 basic set of 10,290 yen Kyushu Shinkansen Sanyou 8000
Kyushu Shinkansen増結set Sanyou 92412 JR N700 8000 12,810 yen
23,100円 92821 N700 -7000 Sanyou Kyushu Shinkansen series set 23,100 yen
92 970 <Limited> JR14 series "Sayonara Hokuriku" set 37,800 yen
7,140 yen color Hokutosei
Cassiopeia Color 9109 EF510 -500 7,140 yen
ightly coupled coupler type 0337 TN (total 6 SP · gray) 1,575 yen
76Post No. 94 7649 525 km (listed first)
Reproduction
62170 EF66 (JR Late update new freight cars) 6,720 yen
2174 EF66 (JR Mid freight cars update) 6,720 yen
Cooler PC6056 (one for locomotives) 735 yen


sorry bad translations from google
particularily interested in c57 was in those pics i posted in another thread

[Fenway Park]

Hi,

NG Blog reports Tomix will be issuing new versions of the above in July 2011. Catalogue numbers 9115 and 9116. Both will have a new flywheel chassis.

I know some members of this group have been waiting for the ED62.

[Claude_Dreyfus]

Hurrah! One, or perhaps more, ED62's would be very much appreciated! 

[Nick_Burman]

Iida Line! Iida Line! Iida Line! 


Cheers NB

[keitaro]

also got reproduction of 4d75 early type

[keitaro]

july release http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://ngi.blog.eonet.jp/n_gauge/&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhiA7DTKWdlRSMv72kp12F6qRD_vhA

as listed in nscale forum ED 62 61 and 75

new DE10

and coca-cola painted cars.

also in August ED 65

[disturbman]

Hey! Kei. It's a good idea but two things:
- I think we need to have two separate threads for Tomix and Tomitec.
- This, at least for me, unreadable. It would be better just to post the basic infos like name of the new products and maybe a poster or a link to somewhere.

[keitaro]

i will try to do that i read this blog from time to time but it doesn't display right on my pc so it's reallt hard to move data between sites.

[JRF-1935]

Thanks Guys -
  I ordered one of each - been waiting "Long Time" 
Rich C

[keitaro]

J.R. Passenger Car Type Ohane25-100 (Gold Belt)  Tomix

J.R. Passenger Car Type Ohane24  Tomix

J.R. Passenger Car Type Ohanefu24  Tomix

J.R. Limited Express Sleeper Series 24 Type 24 `Akebono` (Add-On 4-Car Set)  Tomix

J.R. Limited Express Sleeper Series 24 Type 24 `Akebono` (Basic 4-Car Set)  Tomix

J.R. Electric Locomotive Type EF81 (J.N.R. Red No.2, w/Visor) *Prestige Model  Tomix

J.R. Electric Locomotive Type EF81 (Cassiopeia Color) *Prestige Model  Tomix

J.R. Electric Locomotive Type EF81 (J.N.R. Red No.2, w/Visor)  Tomix

J.R. Electric Locomotive Type EF81 (Cassiopeia Color)  Tomix

J.R. Type 923 Shinkansen Comprehensive Test Train (Doctor Yellow) (Add-On Set)  Tomix

J.R. Type 923 Shinkansen Comprehensive Test Train (Doctor Yellow) (Basic Set)  Tomix

[Limited Edition] J.R. Series N700-8000 Sanyo/Kyushu Shinkansen (Unit R10) (8-Car Set)  Tomix

Convenience Store (Three F)  Tomix

Convenience Store (FamilyMart)  Tomix

Multi-Cleaning Car Set (ED61 Brown + Cleaning Car Brown)  Tomix

doctor yellow is renewal as well i'm sure some people on this forum were waiting for this one?

anyway just as we were having conversations about cleaning car look who pops up haha
pre ordered

[keitaro]

cleaning car
http://img.pics.livedoor.com/011/c/9/c99f797a2fc69722b60a-L.JPG

n700-8000
http://img.pics.livedoor.com/011/5/3/53c995cb6bd4b2a37e61-L.JPG
http://img.pics.livedoor.com/012/0/0/00ac3865d3e21eddf52b-M.JPG
http://blog.joshinweb.jp/photos/uncategorized/2011/04/21/n700_3.jpg

[Martijn Meerts]

I guess I'll be getting my 4th cleaning car and 4th n700 in September then ;)

[keitaro]

check out these pics that overhead multi track set looks great

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://ngi.blog.eonet.jp/photos/20110429_tomix/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dngi%2Bblog%2Bjp%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D673%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.com.au&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhg95qk30v7ergtqCR2dBmE9dbVMOg

anyone know if it comes with cleaning fluid for the cleaning car? it fails to meantion although does say has pads

[Martijn Meerts]

The previous loco+cleaning car set didn't come with any cleaning fluid, so I'm guessing it's not included in this set either. The cleaning car+cleaning track set does come with fluid though.

Pads are a standard extra with all the cleaning cars I've seen so far. You usually get 3 or 4 each of the grinding and polishing pads.

[David]

Interesting that Tomix happens to have the 3 209-500s (Musashino. Sobu, Keihin-Tohoku). Kato's announced the Musashino as new, I'm hoping that they'll announce the other 2 they previously made will be rerun (I'm far more interested in getting the Sobu and Keihin-Tohoku 10-car sets)

[keitaro]

seems the e5 must be exclusive to kato like i read on mixi. still no news from tomix.

Ihope they can secure exclusive rights to e6

[Martijn Meerts]

If Kato has exclusivity on the E5, it's likely they'd get it (or already have it) on the E6 as well, especially considering 1 end of the E5 already has a functional couple to hook up an E6.

[Kumo]

Too bad for the E5, as much as I like my Kato trains, I love my Tomix Shinkansen (0 & 300) with all wheel power pickup and close coupling.






But...







Can you hear it?!








The new N700 is speaking...









Buy me...

Buy me...

Buy me...

Buy me...

Buy me...

Buy me...
 

[Krackel Hopper]

n700-8000
http://img.pics.livedoor.com/011/5/3/53c995cb6bd4b2a37e61-L.JPG
http://img.pics.livedoor.com/012/0/0/00ac3865d3e21eddf52b-M.JPG
http://blog.joshinweb.jp/photos/uncategorized/2011/04/21/n700_3.jpg

This may have been a blessing in disguise.  I had pre-ordered the N700-7000 from HobbyWorld.  When HW announced their closing, the full 8 car sets had already closed at HobbySearch.  Looks like I can now use that $$$ already set aside for the new painted train N700.. woot!

[scott]

The 4-car Akebono set is very tempting...

[Krackel Hopper]

hey hey,

Most of the Tomix Sept. release is for HO Scale.

J.R. Passenger Car Type Ohane25-100 (Gold Belt)  Tomix

J.R. Passenger Car Type Ohane24  Tomix

J.R. Passenger Car Type Ohanefu24  Tomix

J.R. Limited Express Sleeper Series 24 Type 24 `Akebono` (Add-On 4-Car Set)  Tomix

J.R. Limited Express Sleeper Series 24 Type 24 `Akebono` (Basic 4-Car Set)  Tomix

J.R. Electric Locomotive Type EF81 (J.N.R. Red No.2, w/Visor) *Prestige Model  Tomix

J.R. Electric Locomotive Type EF81 (Cassiopeia Color) *Prestige Model  Tomix

J.R. Electric Locomotive Type EF81 (J.N.R. Red No.2, w/Visor)  Tomix

J.R. Electric Locomotive Type EF81 (Cassiopeia Color)  Tomix

These are all in HO.  Really, the Dr. Yellow, N700 Sakura & ED61 Cleaning Car Set are the only N Scale announced so far.

[keitaro]

Oh well the ones that make it a good release for sept are all nscale 

NGI blog failed to mention ho or not ...

[lordwinslow2]

Put in a reservation on the Tomix Dr. Yellow (both sets) and the Cleaning car. 

Winslow

[Kumo]

What's the best site for this kind of pre-orders?

You probably got it before ( ) but I'd like to order the N700 Shinkansen but I don't know where since I didn't order trains from Japan yet.
I was tempted by Hobby Search but I don't know if we have to pay on the preorder or then the product arrives on their warehouse. Is it also possible to cancel if I change my mind (or don't have money in september...)?
I'm more used to HLJ and the have a really convenient shopping and pre-order system.

[Martijn Meerts]

Pre-ordering from Hobby Search is easy enough. Just order it like you would normally, and when it comes in stock, you'll get a payment notice. You don't have to pay anything in advance.

Canceling can be tricky though, since Hobby Search doesn't allow cancelations after a certain period. Not sure how long that period is though, never canceled anything :) , but I'm sure others have an answer there.

[Kumo]

Thanks, I'll take it! It's been a long time since I wanted a N700, N700-8000, and this special train is great and will put some colors on my Shinkansen tracks!  

EDIT: One more thing, do you usually take SAL or EMS? For my action figures I'm used to take SAL, but the price is more 5000¥ than 20000¥ and SAL doesn't have insurance.

[Martijn Meerts]

I tend to go EMS, simply because I like getting my things fast (or at least, as fast as customs here allow it ;))

I have no experience with SAL at all. If I ship something with SAL, it'll take like 1-1.5 month for it to get to my door. Customs tends to take around 2-3 weeks already, even on EMS.