Kato - New releases

[cteno4]

Well I would not put quality as being different. I have both and see no appreciable difference in quality between finetrack and unitrak.

Jeff

[KenS]

Finetrack and Unitrack are both well designed, well built, high quality sectional track systems.  I think Kato has the edge in "robustness", and I find it easier to assemble and take apart in a hurry. But Tomix looks, to me anyway, a bit more realistic and less toy-like (I'm talking about both their usual tracks; Kato's Unitram track is more "realistic" than Tomix's wide-tram track, at least to my eyes).

Tomix, of course, has much more selection in terms of curve radii, switches (even slip switches for trams!) and types of track (fine track, wide track, wide tram track).

Even if they were equally available and the same cost, I'd probably buy Unitrack for "train" tracks, particularly now that they have (some) concrete-tie track. 

But at the same time, even though I like the Unitram plates' appearance, my limited experience with it has been poor, with my Modemo trams stalling frequently.  It's why I used Tomix Wide Tram track for my tram layout (well, that and it had radii that matched the bus roadway).

The long and short of it is that both have their strengths and weaknesses, and which one you prefer is both a matter of taste and your specific needs.

[The_Ghan]

Thanks KenS,

That about sums it up.  The only thing I'd add in favour of the Tomix FineTrack is the lower profile.  The can lead to less ballasting being required.  I hate ballasting (the process of) for so many reasons.  I've noticed a few of the Unitrack users actually recess the pieces into the layout to reduce the profile height.

While we're on the subject of track, there a few things I wish both manufacturers would add to their line-up:

1. 22.5^o transition curves (I'm talking about a parabolic type of curve, not the transition between flat and super-elevated curves);

2. Shorter angle pieces.  For Tomix the minimum angle is generally 15^o.  I'd like to see 5^o pieces.  Right now I've got a track planning problem where I'd like a shallower angle that the 15^o provides;

3. A curved extensible track, say 15-20^o piece in each of the core radii.  This would enable me to have curves spanning joints in my boards;

4. With Tomix, a larger range of points that support the 37mm track centres;

5. Tomix makes a 70mm piece with a double gap, primarily used for isolating blocks for separate DC controllers.  I'd like to see a single rail gap version for use on DCC;

6. A pair of solder tabs or screw terminals under most pieces.

Just my thoughts.

Cheers

The_Ghan

[KenS]

As many of us are awaiting for the release of the newer KATO crossing, I got an e-mail from the retailer (HS) that the crossing has been delayed by a month. Which isn't a big issue as they are have brought out the release date for the kiha 30,35 and 36 (24/1/12) and the re-release of the C62-2 and 3 (27/1/12)

Still can't wait for the crossings to come out to add it to my layout.

I just received notice from Kato today that my Kato grade crossing was in, and sent the payment.  They'd sent me a "delayed to Feb" notice folllowed by a "schedule change to late Jan" note before that.

[linkey]

As many of us are awaiting for the release of the newer KATO crossing, I got an e-mail from the retailer (HS) that the crossing has been delayed by a month. Which isn't a big issue as they are have brought out the release date for the kiha 30,35 and 36 (24/1/12) and the re-release of the C62-2 and 3 (27/1/12)

Still can't wait for the crossings to come out to add it to my layout.

I just received notice from Kato today that my Kato grade crossing was in, and sent the payment.  They'd sent me a "delayed to Feb" notice folllowed by a "schedule change to late Jan" note before that.

Yeah i got the same notifiaction and now it's available to get. I have to send a e-mail to HS to see if they are willing to hold my order until next week. Which they have done in past and have been very helpful.

[Mudkip Orange]

Down-Under Tomix and Kato track are pretty much equally difficult to obtain locally.  The few shops nation-wide that do stock Kato usually only have a handful of pieces.

See, Kato has US offices, and they have a list of "certified" retailers that either (i) carry all N-scale pieces, or (ii) carry all N- and HO-scale pieces. This is one of the reasons why Kato hasn't "officially" released the R282/315 or R447/480 corners in the US, they don't want to force all their distributors to stock a bunch of extra doubletrack that US Americans modeling singletrack freight-haulers aren't interested in.

I don't think I've ever been in a US Kato dealer that didn't have the full complement of N scale singletrack.

[linkey]

Mudkip_orange,

The Australian N scale market is alive and kicking where even most Australia N scale train people (Australian Prototype) are buying KATO Double Track form their retail store, as they get to use it in T-TRAK and on their personal layout. I know that the Australian Japanese Model Railway Group (AJMRG) use KATO single and Double Track on our J-Module, T-TRAK nad on our own personal layouts. We sometimes even have the Tomix fine track as well so we get to see the difference and to run certain items if they are part of the same system (eg. crossings and signaling, etc)

There are a few Australian stores selling KATO track and that is cause they have seen it from N scale modellers at exhibitions/conventions to find out the benefits of having these items available. But the tprice range can be totally different and just have to shop around to find the right price for you.

[cteno4]

Im pretty sure someone in australia has the "official" distribution rights from Kato for australia. Kato does this around the world, they will give exclusive or non exclusive distribution deals to businesses for various countries. then they may let you buy directly from them, katousa, or from one of their big distributors in japan or us depending on the volume and situation of the deal.

tomix, microace, and greenmax AFAIK have no official distributors outside japan. importers usually find a distributor in japan to buy from at the point on the distribution food chain they have the volume to get in at. This is where Mokei imports in the us was so good at getting low enough in the distribution chain in japan that he could get greenmax and tomix structures over here and operate a wholesale operation so dealers could buy from him and sell at pretty much japanese street price here in the us. he did bring things over by the container full though, so had some volume going on!

catalogs would come over 2 months late, but still at 10% below list when bought through a dealer and including their shipping from mokei to the dealer! perhaps he did them at cost to stimulate business with the drool books.

jeff

[The_Ghan]

In contrast to what linkey (in Melbourne) has to say about the prolific use of UniTrack down there, I (in Sydney) don't remember seeing a single UiTrack layout at and of the shows I've been to in the last couple of years.  To be fair, I'm not a member of of any N-scale modelling clubs and others might set me straight.  But most of the track I've seen up in Sydney is Peco, Fleishmann and Atherm.  Doug Coster, of course, uses Tomix, as do keitaro and I.  Perhaps the fact that Melbourne has a dedicated Japanese N-Scale club means that more people are aware of and use the Kato track down there.

Cheers

The_Ghan

[westfalen]

As many of us are awaiting for the release of the newer KATO crossing, I got an e-mail from the retailer (HS) that the crossing has been delayed by a month. Which isn't a big issue as they are have brought out the release date for the kiha 30,35 and 36 (24/1/12) and the re-release of the C62-2 and 3 (27/1/12)

Still can't wait for the crossings to come out to add it to my layout.

I just received notice from Kato today that my Kato grade crossing was in, and sent the payment.  They'd sent me a "delayed to Feb" notice folllowed by a "schedule change to late Jan" note before that.

Yeah i got the same notifiaction and now it's available to get. I have to send a e-mail to HS to see if they are willing to hold my order until next week. Which they have done in past and have been very helpful.

Mine's in the air as I type this, it will arrive as usual on Monday a day to late to show off at a club meeting on Sunday.

When it arrives I will have to set it up to see how long the gates take to come down so I can work out what length of T-TRAK modules I'll need for it.

[linkey]

From the KATO filming of the crossing, looks like they come down at a pretty quick rate after the sensor have been tripped. So it's a question of how far you are going to place the sensor track to the crossing.

[Webskipper]

how far you are going to place the sensor track to the crossing.

Running bullets, that sensor or sensors, are going to be spread far apart.

Is it pressure activated or a photo sensor?  I bet you can figure out a way to add your own additional sensors.

[westfalen]

how far you are going to place the sensor track to the crossing.

Running bullets, that sensor or sensors, are going to be spread far apart.

Is it pressure activated or a photo sensor?  I bet you can figure out a way to add your own additional sensors.

It uses infrared sensors as far as I can tell. Like a real crossing I'll be placing the sensors for average speed trains, shinkansen may have to slow down and when my shay hauled log train creeps by my little people will have to wait at the crossing a bit longer.

I'm thinking of a set of three double T-TRAK modules with the crossing in the centre and the sensors at the extremities of the three modules.

[cteno4]

I'm guessing photo resistors, which could be good as they are inexpensive and you could do multiple sets and just use a dpdt to switch between them.

Jeff

[westfalen]

I'm guessing photo resistors, which could be good as they are inexpensive and you could do multiple sets and just use a dpdt to switch between them.

Jeff

According to Hobby Search, "The sensor uses infrared detection of the vehicle."

As the crossing is going to be on T-TRAK modules I want to keep the wiring as simple as possible and not have too many wires running round the layout from module to module. I had thought of putting the sensors on single modules that could be spaced out with as many other modules as needed between them and the crossing but at the moment I'm going with three double modules that would fit in one of our three module racks for transport together.

[cteno4]

if its infrared then the gate itself must have an emitter thats bounced off the ceiling to the sensors. ir sensors are used specifically because there are few things in a room that interfere with them. some detectors have both an ir emitter and a detector so you can use them anywhere (like in a tunnel), but those require more than 2 wires to operate, you need to feed power to the emitter and also register the signal. the kato guys only have 2 wires per sensor.

most of this kind of opto sensor systems are photo-resistors that just register a big drop in the ambient light level when the car goes over it. down side is that you have to have enough light above the sensor to operate so they dont operate in the dark or in tunnels. also an issue in adjusting for the ambient room light. smart systems register the ambient light when you turn them on, dumb ones require you to set the sensitivity on a pot on the board. but both have issues if you run in night mode! in tunnels you can mount a little light above the sensor to make them work there.

it will be interesting to see how they are designed.

little jst connectors are great for hooking this sort of thing up for mix and match. small and easy to pop together. very cheap either for the roll your own connector or buying prewired ones.

jeff

[westfalen]

The sensors look like they could have an emitter and a sensor and the cables have three wires, red, black and white in this photo from HS.

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10170395a/20/1

[cteno4]

west,

think you are right there, i didnt look close enough to see the third white wire, thought it was just red and black!

this will be the safest way for them to do it as few other thinks would interfere with this!

jeff

[Mudkip Orange]

I'll be placing the sensors for average speed trains, shinkansen may have to slow down

When North Shore first did a full-out speed test of the Electroliners, they had to call it off at about 110mph because the crossing gates weren't making it all the way down before the train got there!

[traindork]

I see from the new Kato poster that they're doing the E5 again, but I can't tell if it's a rerun or a different paint scheme.
I'd love to pick up another set, this is one of my favorite trains!   

[westfalen]

It would be nice if the C11 in that Oigawa set was retooled with the new style mechanism like the C62 and D51 but at Y10,500 for the loco and three coaches it looks like just existing stock put together in a set.

[The_Ghan]

I see from the new Kato poster that they're doing the E5 again, but I can't tell if it's a rerun or a different paint scheme.
I'd love to pick up another set, this is one of my favorite trains!   

How many colour schemes are there for the E5?  I could only find one on-line.

Cheers

The_Ghan

[KenS]

I see from the new Kato poster that they're doing the E5 again, but I can't tell if it's a rerun or a different paint scheme.

Usually when Kato changes a train they'll change the model number.  The number on the poster is the same as the original run, so I expect it's the same model.  That's typical; if the first run sells out quickly, they'll re-do it some time later (they did this with the DE10, a year after the first run sold out).

Of course, they aren't consistent and have made changes without altering the model number, so you can't know for sure until it comes out.

[keitaro]

yeah the e5 is e5 no changes to livery yet. The e6 is litteraly a e5 with different livery imo and some other changes.

btw when you see a preorder pop up that is because it is a rerun.

Example Kato made 10,000 e5's all of them were sold so they are doing another run.

restock example

Kato made 10,000 800 tsubame sakura shinkansen HS orderd 100 and sold them eventually and restocked some as kato still have 5,000 available in the warehouse.

sometimes though a popular order will show as preorder as well to give everyone a fair chance to jump in and order one. like the c62's have gone up as they knew it would be a sell out and limited to 1 per person.

[jappomania]

I see from the new Kato poster that they're doing the E5 again, but I can't tell if it's a rerun or a different paint scheme.
I'd love to pick up another set, this is one of my favorite trains!   

How many colour schemes are there for the E5?  I could only find one on-line.

Cheers

The_Ghan

only the first trial set S11 is slightly different (and maybe soon or already upgraded like the standard U sets)
the car 10 has not been originally equiped like Gran Class (no logo on bodyside) and, at both head cars, the Hayabusa logos has not been applied.
I think that spotlight and camera near panto are still on use but I'm not sure...

ciao
Massimo

[keitaro]

ginza anniversary model http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10176535


pretty sure this is the model correct me if i'm wrong 

http://ktransit.com/museums/Japan/Photos/tokyosubwaymus02.jpg

[The_Ghan]

... pretty sure this is the model correct me if i'm wrong 
http://ktransit.com/museums/Japan/Photos/tokyosubwaymus02.jpg

Hmmm ... I think you're wrong.  I think it is this one.  This is the current Ginza 01 series, consist number 17 ... so there is no point in ordering two or three of them ... only consist 17 was painted yellow, it seems, in memory of the one in your link.

Cheers

The_Ghan

[Skvo]

ginza anniversary model http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10176535

http://www.katomodels.com/product/nmi/hc_metro01kei_80th.shtml

[keitaro]

ghan

the new one is

01-117+01-217+01-317(M)+01-417+01-517+01-617

old

01-100+01-200+01-300(M)+01-400+01-500+01-600

so there is differences but you are right on the colour ;)

[The_Ghan]

ghan

the new one is

01-117+01-217+01-317(M)+01-417+01-517+01-617

old

01-100+01-200+01-300(M)+01-400+01-500+01-600

so there is differences but you are right on the colour ;)

Really?  Where is the link to the 01-100 consist?  The link you provided earlier was to the old 1000 series car restored and on display at the subway museum, isn't it?

Cheers

The_Ghan

[keitaro]

the link i provided was wrong. but at the same time the 80th anniversay model is diffent from the other ginza kato do.

hence the numbers.

still i will get 2 as subway will have a line each way i would like to have one each direction.

[keitaro]

The remake of the orient express and d51 standard look damn nice ...

http://ngi.blog.eonet.jp/photos/20120215_kato1/ 

[Martijn Meerts]

Very nice.. Now, where do I place my order for the Orient Express version? :)

[jappomania]

The remake of the orient express and d51 standard look damn nice ...

http://ngi.blog.eonet.jp/photos/20120215_kato1/ 

WOW!
it's amazing! I've one on pre-order   (I bought the first release with complete NIOE years ago)
it's better if I send a pre-order for the other D51 renewed (2016)

ciao
Massimo

[westfalen]

The remake of the orient express and d51 standard look damn nice ...

http://ngi.blog.eonet.jp/photos/20120215_kato1/ 

WOW!
it's amazing! I've one on pre-order   (I bought the first release with complete NIOE years ago)
it's better if I send a pre-order for the other D51 renewed (2016)

ciao
Massimo

Where have you ordered it from, I haven't seen them at HS and wouldn't mind one to replace my original Orient Express version too.

[Martijn Meerts]

HS only has the regular version on the international site. On their Japanese site they do list the Orient Express version, but not for sale or reservation. I believe it's because Kato initially announced the Orient Express version to be released for Japan only.

I'd definitely buy one seeing as it looks much better than the current one. (plus, the wheels on my current one are misaligned after I installed a decoder. Sure, it's fixable, but the thing doesn't even have lighting ... )

[jappomania]

Where have you ordered it from, I haven't seen them at HS and wouldn't mind one to replace my original Orient Express version too.

I have a friend in Japan, he bought directly for me some items on local shop...

ciao
Massimo

[Webskipper]

Kato Catalog Page 21.

Any chance Kato will use Walther's DCC Turntable?

http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-2616

New version to be released in April 2012.

[westfalen]

Kato Catalog Page 21.

Any chance Kato will use Walther's DCC Turntable?

http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-2616

New version to be released in April 2012.

If they did I would have thought they would have it out sooner as they just have to relabel the box. It's not really Japanese prototype though, most Japanese turntables have the girders above the track and a shallower pit, the two I've seen that were otherwise were built in England and the USA. I think they'll go with something keeping to the Unitrack principle of being able to be set up on the living room floor. Having said that, they have marketed the Fleischmann turntable in the past.

Besides a turntable long enough for a Big Boy would be a bit of overkill for the Japanese with nothing bigger to turn on it than a C62.

[keitaro]

they could change the moulding though and leave the mechanics the same.

I want one but yeah there is no suitable one atm for my needs.

[The_Ghan]

I'm having trouble with the KatoModels.com site on my notebook.  When I go to "Stock Information", no matter what product code I enter it always displays results for 10-286 White Sonic.  I know it's a problem with the notebook because my work PC and home PC are both fine.  I have deleted cookies, temporary files, etc., shut down and restarted to no avail.  Any web guru got any ideas?  I'm using IE8 and Vista.

Cheers

The_Ghan

[keitaro]

are you clicking or pressing enter i have issue where it just refreshes if i press enter.

Also try shift + F8 and retry search.

Make sure you are not using the translate as well if on the japanese side.

[angusmclean]

I'm using IE8 and Vista.

May I respectfully suggest you change to Window7/Chrome.  I use XP/Vista/7 mainly with Chrome and most of my problems are with the Vista system.
Even XP/Chrome is far better!

Angus:))

[The_Ghan]

Angus,

Sorry mate, I won't be changing browsers just for a single website.

Keitaro,

Did you mean F5?  I tried F5 and Ctrl+F5 ... to no avail.  I'm also clicking the "search" button.  Still no joy.

The only thing I can think is I have automatic updates turned off.  I might look into this on the weekend.

Cheers

The_Ghan

[Densha]

I did have some weird things going on with the kato website too. If I enter from the main page from google chrome (on win7), then all images disappear, it seems related to the router somehow since the other computers in this house won't display the pictures either. It seem solved when I use firefox, but it's totally weird.

[Webskipper]

Clear the cache.

I recommend taking it to the Apple store for a replacement.  :)

[cteno4]

Kato's web site goes squirrelly every once and a while with odd things like this and at times its been country or region specific in the past. definitely not computer specific if all the computers in the house are behaving the same. might try rebooting your router, but doubt it will help.

jeff

[The_Ghan]

Hi Jeff,

It's only my notebook.  PC is fine.

West,

I don't like rotton fruit.   

Cheers

The_Ghan

[cteno4]

sorry my mistake i was replying to densha's quirk.

jeff

[Densha]

I did everything that I was able to do, and it seems to have something to do with my router, but I can't help it. There is another strange phenomenon with that router, as it won't accept the internet cable straight from the modem, only with a switch between it. Crazy, but it works, but not completely for the Kato website. I found a way to make it work anyway, it doesn't always work, and then I have to reboot my PC.