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DCC Decoder for Kato TGV K10918-25

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Anyone convert their TGV to DCC?

 

Parts list shows K10918-25 M1 and K10918-26 M2 Circuit boards.

 

M1 is the powered car #1.

 

What are my choices for this conversion?

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nik_n_dad

Unless I'm really tired, it looks like it takes a 6-pin NEM651 decoder such as

 

http://www.tcsdcc.com/public_html/Zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&products_id=283

 

or

 

http://www.digitrax.com/prd_mobdec_dz125IN.php

 

or similar things from ESU, Lenz, etc etc.  Just slide the little board out that's in the socket and drop one of these in.

 

The downside of the NEM651 is I don't think anyone makes a function-only version for the car without a motor.  But these are truly plug-and-play!

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Webskipper

Plug what into what?

 

Here's the OEM board.

 

Apparently the same chassis used on the Thalys is used on the TGV AVE so nikndad who now sells the board that accepts the NEM51 decoders?

 

http://www.jnsforum.com/index.php/topic,4164.0.html

 

This thread can be merged.

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nik_n_dad

Plug what into what?

 

Here's the OEM board.

 

Apparently the same chassis used on the Thalys is used on the TGV AVE so nikndad who now sells the board that accepts the NEM51 decoders?

 

 

The chassis looks the same as the older Thalys and AVE, but I'm pretty sure that the board has been updated.  I think if you gently wiggle the little "daughter board" that I've highlighted below, it should come out.  It looks like it's just the dummy plug and you'd plug in the NEM651 in its place.  (I may be wrong, but it looks like this is right)

 

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The older Thalys and AVE required you to toss the OEM board and replace it with an ESU board, and then plug the decoder into it.  (BTW, I can't seem to find anyone that has the ESU board anymore; not sure if it was discontinued or not.  I'm in need of one (not a set, just one).

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Webskipper

Oh that's so cool. Yes it'll be a true plug in dcc conversion.

 

Thanks!

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Martijn Meerts

That's definitely a NEM651 socket, so any decoder with NEM651 plug should work just fine. It also looks like this is one of the more decent sockets, which means you won't have a lot of problems with bad connections and such :)

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Webskipper

The only place I can find the replacement DCC board is Kato-Unitrack.co.uk

 

Or did I misunderstand and just plug in a 6-pin DCC decoder?

 

TCS EUN651

 

Digitrax DZ125IN

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nik_n_dad

Just plug in one of those DCC decoders.  You don't need to buy the replacement lightboard- that's for us with the older versions of the train.

 

BTW- I couldn't find the board at Kato-Unitrack.co.uk.  Can you post a link to it?

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nik_n_dad

16 pages to sort through when searching for TGV. Here's the Kato UK Link:

 

http://www.kato-unitrack.co.uk/esu-kato-lemke-k147456-replacement-dcc-circuit-board-for-thalys-tgv-pos-21101-0.html

 

Just got the email today (after being on order for some time).... "We don't have this item in stock, and I'm not sure when we'll get anymore".   

 

So I'm back to square one of looking for one board (or a set, of course).....

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Webskipper

Here is a picture of my Kato TGV Thalys PBKA TGV with a TCS EUN651 decoder installed.

 

Any more complicated and a caveman could do it.

 

Does it work? Will find out over the weekend when my DCC controller shows up. Decoder showed up first.

 

Works great! Quiet. Still working on the trailing cab car directional lights.

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Webskipper

Just a follow up.

 

I have successfully installed TCS EUN651 decoders in both the Kato TGV's 10918 and 10917.

 

For the Tail Car:

Adding Rule 17 (CV 49=40) causes a blend of headlamps and tail lamps to be on in reverse at all speeds.  Even with a factory reset (CV8=2) the CV 50=0 which is not the value in the manual. I changed it to 16.

 

Here's what I have recorded on my inventory spreadsheet.

 

CV49=8

CV61=16

 

Tail Car same plus:

29=51

50=16

 

This corrects the directional lighting and the headlamps will dim when stopped on both cars.

 

It looks strange to see the tail lamps dimmed and because....

 

At 1 ft/0.5 seconds for a scale speed of near 260 MPH, this little guy is still moving 1.36 MPH real time.

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The_Ghan

Geez 'skip?

 

How does she take the bends at that speed?  :grin

 

Cheers

 

The_Ghan

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The_Ghan

Nice link, skip!

 

I made myself a spreadsheet to do all that, including deceleration to calculate appropriate lengths for DCC blocks.

 

Cheers

 

The_Ghan

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Spaceman Spiff

Anyone convert their TGV to DCC?

 

Parts list shows K10918-25 M1 and K10918-26 M2 Circuit boards.

 

M1 is the powered car #1.

 

What are my choices for this conversion?

 

 

With my earlier TGV's I used ESU boards. These ESU boards dont seem to be available any ome. Will these Kato boards replace the oem boards and convert to DCC?

 

My original thread about replacement boards

 

 

http://www.jnsforum.com/index.php/topic,4164.msg42382.html#msg42382

 

 

 

 

Spiff

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Rintintin

Plug what into what?

 

Here's the OEM board.

 

Apparently the same chassis used on the Thalys is used on the TGV AVE so nikndad who now sells the board that accepts the NEM51 decoders?

 

http://www.jnsforum.com/index.php/topic,4164.0.html

 

This thread can be merged.

 

Hello,

 

I'm very interested in this circuit board to use in several of my AVE trains.

 

Please, do you know where can I buy this item?

 

Thank you very much in advance & Best Regards,

 

Rintintin.

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Webskipper

Who bought the Kato Ave today from DmToys? I was waiting for an answer on their DCC install and somebody snagged it for 200 Euro. Bummer.

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Spaceman Spiff

Rintintin, not sure if the boards are available anywhere.

 

I didn't buy it Webskipper lol.  I don't speak German but there is alot of nice kato stuff at Ebay.de.

 

Spiff

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nik_n_dad

I've been looking for boards for about 9 months, and have been recently told they are no longer available from the manufacturer.  :sad:

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kmcsjr

Opps wrong topic

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Rintintin

Finally, I found these boards new in ebaY :-)

 

Cheers.

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Webskipper

Is it ESU and which Kato TGV's will it fit? Is it using the 6 pin NEM 651 decoders?

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