Typical weathering

[shadowtiger25]

Does anyone have clear pictures  of weathering for Seki 3000  and 6000? I can't decide if I want to weather mine or not, and would like to see some examples before I decide. 

I have other freight, mostly Wamu 90000s that I also might weather

[Kiha66]

Seems that for most of their life they stayed surprisingly clean, other than small rust spots and general road dust collecting over the car.  The most obvious wear seems to be the paint of the interior of the car from the loading and unloading.  Then small rust spots would begin to show in the paint, most obvious when it occurred over the yellow stripe.  Its surprisingly hard to find good color profile shots of cars.  石炭列車 (coal train) is a good term to look for images.  
https://blog.goo.ne.jp/tsurukun1422/e/b3078cdfadf387ae40dd86488dabaa7b
https://blog.goo.ne.jp/tsurukun1422/e/513ad3bb36f224f2659fd8282575f0be
http://b767-281.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/2013/04/19741975-6-d5-2.html

https://rail.travair.jp/?p=177

http://www.j-cave.com/train/train28.html
https://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/hamusutar42/64456890.html

[Kiha66]

Unfortunately I cant find the source for these images, but I believe they were shared on the JNR enthusiast facebook page.  Certainly by the time these pictures were taken the years of wear were starting to build on the cars, but most seem to be in very good shape for their age.

[shadowtiger25]

wow, they are surprisingly clean. But I guess soot doesn't show up to well on black cars. But this does give me some ideas on where to start, thank you very much!

[Kiha66]

A bit more poking around found this image, which seems to capture the average car in the "dirty" state.  Mud and grime collecting along the stiffening/supports, light dusting and fading on the body of the car with a few rust spots starting to break though the paint in a few places.  Still brand new by US standards!
 

http://www.geocities.jp/ushiyan_tantetsu/kanban/121.jpg

http://www.geocities.jp/ushiyan_tantetsu/kanban121.htm

 

Edited December 3, 2018 by cteno4
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[shadowtiger25]

21 hours ago, Kiha66 said:

A bit more poking around found this image, which seems to capture the average car in the "dirty" state.  Mud and grime collecting along the stiffening/supports, light dusting and fading on the body of the car with a few rust spots starting to break though the paint in a few places.  Still brand new by US standards!
 

http://www.geocities.jp/ushiyan_tantetsu/kanban/121.jpg

http://www.geocities.jp/ushiyan_tantetsu/kanban121.htm

 

I keep seeing those yellow warning labels on steam locos, and also on these cars, what do they mean/stand for?

I need to find or make a few, but are they really common on cars?

[Kiha66]

The yellow band means the car is not allowed onto a car ferry.  In other words, the car is not to leave the island of Hokkaido.   I believe the text says something similar.  Kinda similar to the "DO NOT HUMP" warnings on some US railcars.

[marknewton]

It’s a generalisation, but most Japanese freight cars I’ve seen have been fairly clean. Weathering seems to be limited to road dust and grime, and faded paint. Even car types you’d expect would get grubby such as tank cars or cement hoppers seem to stay clean, or get cleaned. One of my books has a photo of some Hoki2200 grain hoppers being put through a wash plant. Something I’d say happened nowhere else.

 

Cheers,

 

Mark.

[shadowtiger25]

16 hours ago, Kiha66 said:

The yellow band means the car is not allowed onto a car ferry.  In other words, the car is not to leave the island of Hokkaido.   I believe the text says something similar.  Kinda similar to the "DO NOT HUMP" warnings on some US railcars.

Ok, gotta get some of those for my stuff.

13 hours ago, marknewton said:

It’s a generalisation, but most Japanese freight cars I’ve seen have been fairly clean. Weathering seems to be limited to road dust and grime, and faded paint. Even car types you’d expect would get grubby such as tank cars or cement hoppers seem to stay clean, or get cleaned. One of my books has a photo of some Hoki2200 grain hoppers being put through a wash plant. Something I’d say happened nowhere else.

 

Cheers,

 

Mark.

The Japanese are obsessed with cleanliness after all

[Kiha66]

Found another good photo saved in my modeling inspiration folder.  Lots of light dusting and muddy wheels, but nothing the next rainstorm wont wash off.  I wonder where the dents on the car body came from?  

[shadowtiger25]

On 12/6/2018 at 12:48 AM, Kiha66 said:

Found another good photo saved in my modeling inspiration folder.  Lots of light dusting and muddy wheels, but nothing the next rainstorm wont wash off.  I wonder where the dents on the car body came from?  

Loading and unloading. Those dents happen in many US open hoppers as well. I've seen several thousand (maybe more) coal trains, they run 4 times a day on the main line in the town I grew up in, and many cars would end up with them

[marknewton]

On 12/6/2018 at 5:48 PM, Kiha66 said:

Found another good photo saved in my modeling inspiration folder.  Lots of light dusting and muddy wheels, but nothing the next rainstorm wont wash off.  I wonder where the dents on the car body came from?  

 

The dents are from the car sides being whacked with big hammers. You’ll notice that most of the coal they carried was fines, almost dirt. When that stuff gets wet, particularly in winter when it then freezes, it hangs up during unloading and needs “persuasion” to get it out. That’s where the hammers come in. I’ve seen it done many times, and done it myself a few times. I have also seen a video somewhere on YouTube showing it being done in Hokkaido.

 

All the best,

 

Mark.

[Kiha66]

1 minute ago, marknewton said:

The dents are from the car sides being whacked with big hammers

 

I suspected something like that, I've seen it done with iron ore trains on the great lakes.  Thanks for the info!

[shadowtiger25]

On 12/8/2018 at 12:56 AM, marknewton said:

 

The dents are from the car sides being whacked with big hammers.

Now the question is, how do you model that..

[cteno4]

There were come ways presented on the yahoo n scale forum over the last couple of years on how to ding up gondola sides like this. If memory serves me right it was using close soldering iron and a round probe to deform the softened plastic that was the most used. I think they may have then repainted and weathered though. The thicker the stryene the harder it will be to do this. I remeber one chap making new gondola sides out of thin brass and I think a 3D printed frame to ding them up.the gondola bottom and rest were an original car.

 

jeff