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Martijn Meerts

That's the one yes. I've been able to find quite a few pictures of the gate that leads to the track, the garden, and views from the building from inside the garden. Haven't been able to find any images of the left side of the building though, the side pointing towards the station.

 

I can just come up with something though. The idea is to get the buildings laser cut, so I could start with my own interpretation of the bits I can't find reference on, and once I do get reference, I'll adjust it and get a new one laser cut if needed. 

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cteno4

Martijn,

 

to cover the riser foam on the edge just get some wood edging veneer and you can slice sections as needed or even cut a contour for the bit above the module base. Stain it similar to the base and should look fine with the straight even seam to the base. Get birch like your ply wood to stain it similarly and get it without heat adhesive backing (this is glue pre applied to the back that you activate with a hot iron rub on the veneer and not a good idea in this case!). Some come with a PSA backing which might stick well enough for you and if not then some heavier adhesive. It comes in rolls in sizes like 3/4”, 1”, 1.5”, 2” (and their metric cousins) wide and up to like 250’ Long!

 

you can also just use styrene and paint it, but the veneer looks nicer as a frame.

 

Glad to see you are back at this, it’s something that’s always been in the back of my head to do. One of our club members is looking at doing a branch line balloon for a special scene like this (not enoden).

 

cheers

 

jeff

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Martijn Meerts

Veneer would be an option, if it was possible to get it at reasonable amounts and prices. Apparently, it's not a very popular material for non-professionals over here. So far I've only found in in large quantities, which is more expensive than just making new bases, and I'd have a LOT left over, or in really small quantities in odd shapes that are smaller than the modules.

 

Actually, around where I live, the selection in wood is really bad. The local hardware store has some, but you spend half a day trying to find wood that's actually straight. Ordering it online means pretty hefty shipping cost, so that's not really an option. That's the great thing about the place where I have my things laser cut, they make sure they have high quality sheets of wood.

 

Painted styrene could be interesting as well, if you paint it like it's a cutout of the actual landscape, so you see the layers of dirt and some rocks in there, but I think that would draw too much attention away from the actual scenery on top of the module. (And I'm not good enough at painting to make it look convincing …)

 

For now I'm still just using Google Maps to measure out parts of the Enoden line, and drawing some ideas up on paper. I still don't really have the time or motivation to start working on an actual module quite yet.

 

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cteno4

It is tricky visually with a cut thru like that. Black works but if the black strip gets too much then you get the eye flipping into negative space things that can be distracting from the scene fast that the viewer is not concious of all all. This is why I hate Ttrak faces painted a solid color. Natural wood grain works well as our eyes tend to just accept it and don’t start doing as many odd things with it visually. We always try to put it up near interfaces like this in visual range in exhibits and don’t use painted, metal (that does a whole mother thing), or solid Formica’s and such. It not cheap to do durably but done right and it just fades away, especially if it’s near touching areas, and eye focuses on the subject better.

 

that would be fun to do on a module, layer the dirt/rock/pavement strata up along the edge along with some cut off utility pipes and such along with a cut thru building and even a car! Would be a nice little find in a string of modules. Doing something really fun but a bit subtle in places can really peak folks visual interest again for the whole piece. Whole thing can’t be that way or just too loud. It’s the Hitchcock thing of crescendos and rests for the eye and brain.

 

Yeah you don’t find it in stores a lot except for the woodworking stores. Might look around to see if there is a wood working store somewhere, they are good for this stuff and will also sell sheets if veneer in various sizes that would work.

 

on second thought for this work the preglued might work to your advantage as it will hold up better if you saw an irregular edge and give you a sturdy backing that will hold glue well.

 

check online as  5m roll of 18mm is like 8 euro here on amazon

 

https://www.amazon.com/Cloverdale-78250-Band-Banding-25-Feet/dp/B000BZ0ZN6/ref=sr_1_15?keywords=Veneer+edge+banding&qid=1551123636&s=gateway&sr=8-15

 

Jeff

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Sheffie

I thought about this when I was planning on having a hill at the front of my layout. I gave up on the idea when I caught myself wondering how many rock strata to include and how big would an N scale triceratops fossil be

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Martijn Meerts

Jeff, since I'll be designing and laser cutting and / or 3D modelling most / all buildings, there's definitely the option to do a cutout of buildings, and add interior details to it. Most of the buildings I'll probably close off though, but some of the more interesting ones could be left open. It could be fun doing some sort of underground detail like drainage pipes on some modules at some point.

 

I know we have the veneer strips for a reasonable price, so I might experiment with one of those. I do think the strips here have been treated with some sort of layer, so it's impossible to stain it.

 

 

Sheffie, a triceratops would probably still be quite big, but definitely possible. Could probably find some 3D models of the skeleton of one, scale it to size, and then 3D print it, could be fun.

 

 

I did make a little bit of progress again, measured up some buildings around the elementary school, sketched the outline on 1:150 scale, and tried placing them around a bit on a sheet of paper where I sketched a module at full size. Need to do a little more measuring and draw some more buildings, and then I can probably post a picture of it. It's going to be very much 2D initially to see if / how things fit. After that I can start working on very crude 3D versions of the buildings to get a better idea of it all.

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cteno4

Also can just nicely lasercut out your profile for a veneer piece! Much easier than trying to hand saw with a jeweler’s saw!

 

jeff

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Martijn Meerts

Little bit of progress on the design. This is the first of 2 modules of the area around the elementary school between Wadazuka and Kamakura.

 

I measured the track, road and main buildings, there’s still 1 building missing in the bottom left. This drawing is the actual size of a single T-Trak module, measurements are made using Google maps, so they’re not as accurate as can be, but accurate enough. 

 

I’ve also bought some chipboard so I can make crude versions of the buildings in 3D to get a better idea of the scale. 

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cteno4

Great work and process Martijn! Kudos! 

 

Cheers

 

jeff

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Martijn Meerts

It gives a good idea of the space you have. I noticed that when I drew the outlines of the modules and the track, I felt like I had quote a lot of space for buildings. Then I started measuring the first buildings, and thought they were really small, and I'd be able to fit more on a module than I initially thought. Once I actually cut out the buildings and put them on the module sketch it became clear that you really don't have that much space after all. The module in the picture is also one with a depth of 25cm, so it's one of the bigger ones.

 

I'm looking at possibly getting a double length module laser cut since I really want to get a train station set up sooner rather than later. If I do end up doing that, I'll likely also experiment a bit with designing a module base where the 'ground' is a bit higher, to make up for the Unitrack's raised roadbed. And possibly some other ideas like contoured sides and adjustments to make road running look better. Depends a bit how much I can fit on a single sheet of wood of the size the laser cutter company uses.

 

 

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cteno4

Here in the us modules have gone deep, most are doing 13”/33cm deep modules on 33ttrak straights. There is no standard on depth. Actually funnat times to see the back edge wander and not be the straight line.

 

jeff

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Martijn Meerts

Added a few more buildings. Pretty sure I’ve got them covered. There’s another building between E and G, but only a very small corner would be visible, so I might just skip it, or scratch build it from some scraps rather than get it laser cut. Then again, if I end up having space left on the sheets to be cut, I can always add it, we’ll see. 

 

Next step is to figure out the heights of the buildings and make some crude mockups. 

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Martijn Meerts

Sketched out the first of the buildings (building B on the overview sketch). Reasonably happy with it, but the door feels too tall, and overall it’s about 4 to 5 mm taller than a 3 story Sankei kit. That doesn’t sound like much, but I’m not sure this is supposed to be a full 3 story building.

 

It’s a bit slow going, but it’s not that easy getting somewhat correct measurements. Takes a long time getting it all done. 

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cteno4

Moderator note, sankei spirited away was split off as it’s own thread here

 

 

jeff

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