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Yavianice
On 7/20/2018 at 9:16 AM, kvp said:

So pretty much no programming API. That's something i don't really like. It would be very easy to provide a proper way to write programs (custom layouts) for the system. With this limitation, it's only possible to modify the existing trackplans, but no way to set up a custom one. Imho as long as Tomix doesn't open up the programming API, many people who could really use it won't buy it. The possibility is there as it only needs a firmware update to allow custom track layouts to be added to the SD card.

 

The parts are a different question, i do plan to get the new signals and i have a few sensors, but i'll just use something more open source, like a cheap arduino to wire them up.

 

Maybe Tomix didn’t bother making an API if they aren’t sure TNOS will be a success. When more people buy it, I’m sure demand for more custom layouts will increase, and maybe they will make one.

 

Im looking forward what the response of KATO will be. Will they make something equivalent, like how they now adopted PWM controllers, and a Bluetooth controller? Who knows. To me this is the most exciting, to be honest

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katoftw

I'd be doubtful if Kato do something any time soon in regards to automation.  They never had any equivalent product similar to the previous Tomix automation systems.  And Tomix have had wireless controllers and PWN controllers for 10 plus years now.  So if their is a response from Kato, don't expect it any time near.

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kvp
13 hours ago, katoftw said:

I'd be doubtful if Kato do something any time soon in regards to automation.  They never had any equivalent product similar to the previous Tomix automation systems.  And Tomix have had wireless controllers and PWN controllers for 10 plus years now.  So if their is a response from Kato, don't expect it any time near.

I actually expect more DCC compatible products from Kato. They are much better at it and DCC allows all automation and even more that Tomix is doing by using 3rd party parts and free software at a slightly higher price and more complexity. Those accessories are not available from one single vendor, but considering Kato doesn't even make a 3 way turnout or a double slip, i won't be surprised if Kato doesn't try to copy everything Tomix does. They usually try something totally different and try to be good at that.

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VentureForth

Tomix has done an incredible job retaining backwards compatibility, improving automation without DCC.  Amazing!

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kvp

Some info i found about the new Tomix TNOS signals:

https://twitter.com/hobbysearch_mt/status/994506849427668992

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S_RnH1_l7A

It looks like there is an upward facing IR sensor in each signal and the strange structures on the photos are meant to prevent errornous detection. While innovative and spares adding extra train sensors, i don't really think this would be too reliable in an exhibition environment or with signals placed next to each other. (also i really hope that Tomix keeps the old wheel sensors as they work nicely and are really simple to use)

 

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Yavianice

@kvp Talking about the programming API,

 

Today with @defor I discovered a short section in the manual of the most recent update of the TNOS SD card describing how you can configure your own layouts (TCL TNOS command language).

 

https://www.tomytec.co.jp/tomix/necst/5701tnos/images/update/tnosupdatamanual.pdf

 

Bottom page

 

Seems like you can pretty easily make your own configurations of layouts using a normal text editor. 

 

Just stick the SD card that is provided with the TNOS box in a PC or Mac, make a new folder, and place a new text file within it, write the commands in order (and taking a peek at the existing layouts, using the text editor, all lines also have comments which is really helpful), stick the SD card back in the TNOS box, off you go.

 

The update files for the SD card can be found here (the first link is an executable, but the second link (not the PDF one) is just a zipped file with all the folders and text files).

 

https://www.tomytec.co.jp/tomix/necst/5701tnos/tnos-update.html

 

Strange they didn't make a bigger deal out of this. TNOS suddenly became a HECK of a lot more attractive for me.

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defor

The way i'm reading it, the custom programming is available only AFTER you run the February 2019 update, but that said, I think I'm going to invest in TNOS shortly and see if I can automate my rural single track layout with some level of complexity.

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katoftw

Correct. Inital release didnt have the feature. The later update allowed you to design your own. Japanese language only though.

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defor

looks simple enough- ran the pdf through machine translation, as well as the example txt scripts and they translate out pretty well...enough to figure out how it all works...
example: http://shorturl.at/kmAG4

 

Would probably be worth writing up a proper guide though...

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Yavianice

Also, this user has modified some KATO unitrack with brass plates and Tomix sensors so KATO Unitrack users can also use TNOS.

 

 

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brill27mcb

Thanks for posting this! I'll be studying it...

 

How do you run a pdf file through a translator?

 

Rich K.

 

ps: They have been awfully quiet about the planned TNOS-compatible signals, announced about one year ago.

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