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... or I think it could. With such an extensive narrow gauge system I wodner why Japanese ingeneers didn't try to develop it, gauge changing HST.

 

Talgo’s 380 km/h Avril train to take on the airlines -- 27 July 2009

 

SPAIN: In its first 18 months of full operation, the Madrid - Barcelona high speed line has made significant inroads into market share on what was the country’s busiest domestic air corr idor. But RENFE Operadora believes it needs to do more if rail is to achieve total dominance.

 

With 300 km/h operation the journey time is 2 h 40 min non-stop, or around 3 h with calls at Zaragoza, Lleida and Camp de Tarragona. Acc ording to Ignacio de Rebeira Sánchez, Head of Innovation at RENFE’s High Speed & Long Distance business, a 2 h 30 min timing is essential; he believes this will be achievable with 320 km/h running, which he considers more realistic than the 350 km/h for which the line was designed.

 

Whilst the Siemens-built Series 103 and Talgo/Bombardier Series 102 sets are designed for 350 km/h, the gauge-changing trains used for through services off the standard-gauge line are limited to 250 km/h. Speaking at a workshop in Barcelona on June 18-19, organised by the Spanish Railway Foundation to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the start of gauge-changing trains with the Barcelona - Genève Catalan Talgo, Talgo’s Director of Research & Development Dr Emilio García announced that higher speed trials will be undertaken later this year. A prototype trainset derived from the Series 130 will be used to verify the performance of the gauge-changing wheelsets at 300 km/h.

 

These tests are also intended to contribute to another project, which will see the emergence in 2011 of Talgo’s next-generation trainset, code-named Avril (Alta Velocidad Rueda Independiente Ligero). Technical details are under wraps until mid-2010, but like the Series 130 Avril will have two driving vehicles on powered bogies and 12 articulated trailers riding on 11 single wheelsets.

 

To allow train operators to offer fares competitive with low-cost airlines, Avril is intended to provide up to 700 seats in a 200 m single-deck trainset. Moving the traction equipment underfloor will release space in the power cars, and Talgo plans to capitalise on the short 13 m length of the trailers by pushing the width out to 3 200 mm, permitting 3+2 seating in second class.

 

According to company insiders, Avril is being designed for operation at no less than 380 km/h, with inter-car linkages helping to keep the wide bodies within the loading gauge and possibly providing a small degree of tilt in curves. While the prototype is envisaged as a standard-gauge trainset, it is also seen as a platform for a future gauge-convertible version. Potential customers are reportedly ‘very interested’.

 

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to2leo

That's awesome.

 

The Renfe system is very affordable (cheap even) compared to other HS lines in the world.  I don't know how Spain does it, is it really earning a lot of money, how the country is able to pay for all this seems like a mystery to me.

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disturbman

It can, or it used to be able to afford it. For one thing their economy was, until recently, growing and the budget was, if I remember correctly, in surplus for several years. Spain also received a good chunk of money from the EU and that for a long period of time. It still does receive a nice part of EU structural font. That plus a real politic vision and envy of geting spain on the fast track can make wonders. If USA wasn't puting so much money in its military, things could be very different.

 

I don't know the price of a HST ticket in Spain but you don't necessary need to make people pay a load of money to make it turn a profit. If you play on numbers it can also work. Anyway the railway(s) usually don't pay for the infrastructure. They run trains, that's all. If the line is really juicy, like the one between Madrid and Barcelona, the initial investment can be repay in 30 or 50 years. I know, or I think I know, that in France the LN1 is allready repaid.

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to2leo

The price is amazing.  For instance, if you are able to book 1.5 months ahead, you will be offered the web price of 43.80 € vs. regular at 109.50 € from Barcelona Sants to Madrid Atocha!

 

I think if Renfe is able to keep at this pace, it can come up top once EU implements the 'Open Rails' policy.

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